Polen gooit WW2 in de strijd

[Ace of Spades]

Nu weer een referendum .

[HorckDude]

Hehe, als je de Brusselse politici wil laten schrikken moet je eens naar Brussel gaan en daar heel hard het woord 'referendum' roepen.

[Jim]

Hehe, als je de Brusselse politici wil laten schrikken moet je eens naar Brussel gaan en daar heel hard het woord 'referendum' roepen.

[Guess who?]

Nu weer een referendum .

De Raad van State bepaalt dat hè

Trouwens, belachelijke vertoning van Polen: We hadden eerst 66 miljoen mensen, maar toen gingen ze dood en nu hebben we de helft. We willen wel stemmen krijgen voor 66 miljoen mensen. Echt, kom je uit een ei? Of uit een Teletubbie wei?

Verder goed dat er weer iets tot stand is gekomen door de Europese landen

[HorckDude]

Dutch MPs raise prospect of new EU referendum
28.06.2007 - 13:51 CET | By Mark Beunderman

BRUSSELS – Just days after EU leaders agreed on a revised version of the European Constitution - rejected in French and Dutch referendums in 2005 - the prospect of a second EU referendum is emerging in the Netherlands.

The country's second largest political faction, the Labour party, has cautiously come out in favour of putting the EU's new treaty to the Dutch people. If Labour follow through, there would be a parliamentary majority for the move.

Labour parliamentary leader Jacques Tichelaar said on Tuesday (26 June) that the Netherlands should not fear a new treaty poll since Dutch prime minister Jan Peter Balkenende claimed major successes at last week's EU summit.

"The result is so good that you shouldn't be afraid to put this to the people," he said, according to Dutch media. "I don't see a single argument for not holding a referendum."

But Labour's position remains ambiguous despite the statement, with Mr Tichelaar also saying his party respects a government coalition agreement stipulating that "the Council of State" should be consulted on the referendum question.

The council is the Dutch government's highest advisory body.

Prime minister Balkenende's Christian Democrats - Labour's coalition partner - hope and expect that the body will advise against a new popular vote.

"Labour could still backtrack," Dutch liberal MP Han ten Broeke told EUobserver, indicating that a pro-referendum parliamentary majority is far from certain at this stage.

It was the Dutch parliament which - against the wishes of prime minister Balkenende - organised the 2005 referendum on the EU constitutional treaty.

Putting aside Labour's comments, other parties on the pro-European and eurosceptic side are also calling for a second popular vote on the new text.

Meanwhile, Dutch pollster Maurice de Hond earlier this week reported that the Dutch like the new Reform Treaty better than the old EU constitution.

Zucht...

[Ace of Spades]

Meanwhile, Dutch pollster Maurice de Hond earlier this week reported that the Dutch like the new Reform Treaty better than the old EU constitution.

De Hond in het internationale nieuws!

[koent]

toevoeging: het lachertje van nederland, eruit geschopt bij de NOS omdat ie bij z'n beschuldiging bleef

[Jim]

hm, ik mag de hond niet

ik ben benieuwd hoe ze de 'nieuwe europese plannen' aan nederland gaan presenteren, hopelijk maken ze niet dezelfde domme fout als voorheen door het er maar gewoon in te stouwen en 'dit is goed' er overheen te kwijlen

[Trutgras]

Als het aan mij ligt hoeven ze het helemaal niet aan 'nederland' te presenteren. Gewoon voor de lol eens doen alsof ze leiders zijn in plaats van grootste gemene delers, zorgen dat er een verdrag komt waarvan ze weten dat het nodig is, en zeker geen referendum. Wie het niet bevalt stemt ze later maar weg.

[Jim]

maar ik denk niet dat de regering dat nog kan doen na alle ophef en media aandacht over het vorige en het huidige plan

[HorckDude]

Best. Gewoon het verdrag er doorheen drukken en gewoon wachten tot het korte termijn geheugen van de Nederlandse kiezer het hele debacle vergeten is bij de volgende verkiezingen in 2010.

[HorckDude]

Na de verdragen van Maastricht, Amsterdam en Nice, is hier het Verdrag van Lissabon:

EU agrees new 'Lisbon Treaty'
19.10.2007 - 06:49 CET

The European Union has overnight agreed the precise text of its new 'Lisbon Treaty' to be formally signed off on 13 December in the Portuguese capital.

At around 02:00 local time on Friday morning - following shorter-than-usual discussions - Portuguese prime minister Jose Socrates announced that a deal has been struck, describing it as "victory for Europe".

"With this agreement we have managed to get out of stalemate...we will be ready to tackle the world's challenges", Mr Socrates said.

European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso also branded the accord as "historic", providing the EU with the "capacity to act".

The decision effectively ends a six-year long period of trying to internally reform.

The first bullet in this battle was fired in February 2002, when the European Convention headed by former French president Valery Giscard d'Estaing started drafting the EU Constitution.

This project, however, was buried when French and Dutch voters rejected the document in 2005 - something that resulted in a two-year long phase of soul searching.

The deal
The final hours in the run up to Friday morning's agreement saw battles on two main fronts - with Poland and Italy seeking to strengthen their political weight within the 27-nation union.

In response to Warsaw's demands, a decision blocking mechanism - known as the Ioannina clause - will be written into a declaration of the treaty. However, the declaration will be linked to a legally stronger protocol, saying that the clause can be modified only by unanimous consensus of all EU leaders.

"We got everything we wanted", Polish president Lech Kaczynski said on Friday morning, adding this compromise means that the clause cannot be removed without his country's approval.

Another headline-stealing issue of the summit was how to distribute seats in the European Parliament among EU member states after the next EU elections in 2009. Italy was demanding to have the same number of deputies as France and the UK.

Under the newly-agreed treaty, Rome will get one extra MEP, while the president of the parliament would no longer be counted as a lawmaker in order to preserve the 750 overall ceiling of MEPs.

Originally, Italy was supposed to end up with 72 deputies, compared to 73 for the UK and 74 for France.

Finally, leaders also overcame Sofia's objections towards the spelling of the word 'euro' and agreed to use the spelling 'evro' in the Bulgarian version of legal documents and the treaty.

The date
The new treaty will be formally signed by all European leaders in Lisbon on 13 December and subsequently go for ratification next year, with a view to coming into place by mid-2009, ahead of the next European elections.

Among other things, the new treaty introduces an EU president, a post that can be held for up to five years, strengthens the post of its foreign policy chief and takes away national vetoes in areas such as terrorism. It also gives more power to the European Parliament.

Italië krijgt een extra MEP door de voorzitter van het parlement zijn stemrecht te ontnemen, en Polen's besluitvorming-vertragingsmechanisme wordt beschermd door alvast een protocol eraan vast te hangen. Alleen in de EU kunnen ze zo'n constructies verzinnen.

[sirdupre]

Ik vraag me dan af hoe lang het nog duurt voordat er geen Europarlementarier meer is die aan een stemronde wil beginnen: Als je eerst zes maanden aan procedures en protocollen moet doorworstelen is de lol er een beetje vanaf lijkt me. Misschien hebben we een ministerie van informatie nodig (doet het altijd goed ).

[Guess who?]

Of een ministerie van waarheid.

[HorckDude]

Volgens mij is het de bedoeling om het zo ingewikkeld mogelijk te maken. Niemand mag er iets van snappen zodat de Europese Unie langzaam vooruit kan schuiven onder het motto "dit is complexe materie".

Alleen jammer voor de EU dat die kutburgers opeens inspraak kregen in 2005...